| Choosing the right university course for yourself is | | | | degree for quantitatively inclined people. There are |
| very important as it will most likely determine what you | | | | many fields of engineering (mining, materials, petroleum |
| will be doing for your working life. We've had past | | | | etc) and in Australia, mining tends to produce the |
| students who graduate and go onto doing: | | | | highest paying and most abundant jobs. Choose this |
| - Commerce | | | | course if you are interested in Physics, Chemistry and |
| - Law | | | | or Mathematics (particular mechanics). |
| - Engineering | | | | Another particularly popular choice is Aeronautical |
| - Medicine | | | | engineering at USYD. The misconception here is that |
| - Science | | | | graduates tend to work for airline companies designing |
| - Arts or combined degrees (combinations) of the | | | | planes and plane parts (called high-speed |
| above. | | | | aerodynamics). This is the obvious career path, but |
| We will talk briefly about what career paths each | | | | aeronautical engineering also lets you work for car |
| degree tends to lead to, and our recommendations for | | | | companies, designing aerodynamic external parts for |
| each degree. | | | | cars (called low-speed aerodynamics). |
| What course should I choose? | | | | The UAI required for this course has a very large |
| Unlike choosing HSC subjects, there is no scaling | | | | range. Some of the higher UAI courses are: |
| implications or anything to do with special 'rules'. | | | | Aeronautical Engineering at USYD, which is about 92, |
| University is purely about yourself - choose the course | | | | and Aerospace at USYD, at 99+. |
| or courses that interest you. For example, if in the | | | | - Mathematics If you have a keen interest in |
| HSC, you did very well for economics and tend to | | | | mathematics, choose this course at university. A |
| enjoy the subject, choose Commerce or Economics | | | | common misconception is that these types of courses |
| at university. If you really enjoyed chemistry or biology, | | | | (including science and arts) lead to no definite career |
| aim for medicine, medical science, pharmacy, | | | | paths. This is untrue. For mathematics, there are jobs in |
| optometry, physiotherapy or veterinary science. There | | | | finance that pay very well, as mathematics graduates |
| are many possibilities, each with different goals in mind. | | | | can often become actuaries or financial engineers. The |
| We don't have any specific recommendation of which | | | | thing is, becoming whatever you want does not require |
| degree you choose, except that you should definitely | | | | any specific degree (e.g. if you want to be an actuary, |
| choose the course you're genuinely interested in. | | | | you don't actually need an actuary degree). There are |
| Whether you want to earn a high salary or contribute | | | | professional bodies (e.g. CA, CPA for accountants, |
| to your field, you will do well if you choose something | | | | AIAA for actuaries, College of Law for lawyers etc) |
| you're good at. There's no point in choosing | | | | that set exams and their own criteria. Basically if you |
| Commerce/Law or other highly demanded courses, | | | | have the skills to pass their exams and meet their |
| just because your UAI was 99+ but you have no | | | | criteria, you can have that career. |
| interest in commerce and/or law. Students who do this | | | | Many mathematics graduates also go on to work in |
| tend to regret their choices after a year or two, | | | | engineering, computer science, banking, insurance and |
| whereas students who choose degrees based on | | | | other quantitative-analyst type positions. Only a small |
| their interests are generally more fulfilled and do better | | | | portion of maths graduates end up being in academia |
| in their degree and future career. There's no substitute | | | | (the field of scholarly pursuits) as lecturers and |
| for the motivation and natural aptitude you will get | | | | researchers, as most people tend to think. |
| from doing something you like, and no matter what | | | | The UAI for maths degrees is generally low, as the |
| you do, if you do it well, you will get what you want | | | | demand is not too high for these courses. However |
| (whether it's a high salary, recognition, contribution to | | | | don't be fooled, as there is absolutely no correlation |
| your field etc). | | | | between entrance UAI and course difficulty. As many |
| Some common degrees | | | | people will tell you, maths degrees (along with |
| - Commerce Commerce is one of the most common | | | | engineering and science) are very difficult and |
| courses students choose. It is a good choice, and | | | | challenging, but also very rewarding to those keenly |
| possibly has the greatest number of career options. | | | | interested. |
| The most common commerce majors at the | | | | USYD offers a BScience (Adv Math) degree which is |
| reputable universities are: accounting, finance, actuary | | | | highly regarded and is likely to contain the brightest |
| studies (UNSW) and marketing. There are also other, | | | | university undergraduates in NSW. Its required UAI is |
| less common majors. | | | | around 98. |
| Commerce is the degree to choose if you want to be | | | | - Science / Arts Science is a good degree if you're |
| an accountant, or get into finance (work in a bank) or | | | | keenly interested in any science (chemistry, physics or |
| marketing (work in advertising). The pay for these | | | | biology). If you are more of a humanities person and |
| types of jobs are great and there's an endless variety | | | | enjoy subjects like English, ancient / modern history, |
| of jobs to suit all tastes and interests. | | | | languages, social sciences etc. We recommend |
| Generally speaking, UNSW has the most reputable | | | | combining these subjects to more career-oriented |
| business school in NSW, so if you're aiming to get into | | | | degrees like commerce, engineering, law, medicine etc. |
| this course, we recommend UNSW as one of the | | | | These courses are great in that they add flavour to |
| better universities that offer this degree. USYD, | | | | your other degree as well as giving you a wider |
| Macquarie Uni and UTS are also universities that offer | | | | experience gained from university education, which will |
| reputable commerce courses. | | | | help your career whatever that may be. |
| UAIs required for commerce range from 94-96 for | | | | The required UAI for these courses are generally very |
| UNSW and USYD, and lower for the other universities. | | | | accessible at even the more reputable universities. |
| As with all references to required UAIs, check the | | | | Generally speaking, USYD is slightly better than UNSW |
| UAC published UAI cutoffs each year at the UAC | | | | in terms of reputation for both Arts and Science |
| website, as they vary a little year to year depending | | | | degrees. |
| on demand and supply. | | | | 3 year single degree vs 5 year double degrees |
| - Actuarial studies Actuarial Studies is ideal for those | | | | Students often consider whether to do a 3 year |
| who are good at maths and want to apply this to | | | | SINGLE degree, or a 5 year DOUBLE degree during |
| university study and their future career. Actuaries are | | | | their time at university. In our experience, we |
| people who work at big insurance companies, who | | | | recommend combining only if the second degree adds |
| use complex mathematical methods to calculate | | | | value to your career aspirations. For example, if you |
| insurance premiums. | | | | choose commerce and are thinking of combining this |
| A common misconception people have of this course | | | | with Arts for example, you should ask yourself what |
| is that they will become actuaries at the end of their | | | | you intend to get out of an Arts degree. For example, |
| degree. This is most often untrue, as actuarial jobs are | | | | a good reason to combine is if you're learning |
| in low supply, and most graduates end up working in | | | | languages and intend to work overseas in the future. |
| finance, in the field of financial engineering designing | | | | One thing students need to consider and realise is that |
| new financial products etc. This can be quite a | | | | combining a degree adds 2 whole years to your |
| lucrative field, especially if part of a quantitative team in | | | | degree. Double degrees tend to be 5 years (some |
| an investment bank. | | | | exceptions where they are 4 years, and some are |
| For actuary, traditionally Macquarie University's actuarial | | | | longer). The extra HECS fees you incur over the extra |
| degree is the most highly regarded. However UNSW's | | | | 2 years should not be taken lightly. Think of university |
| actuarial degree is also quite popular, and UNSW being | | | | costing you an extra 60%! Additionally, you need to |
| a generally more reputable university (especially | | | | consider the opportunity cost (lost opportunity) of 2 |
| internationally), we recommend doing actuary as part | | | | years worth of working. If you had graduated 2 years |
| of the commerce degree at UNSW. | | | | earlier, you could have started your career 2 years |
| The UAI required for this is 95+ for UNSW's | | | | younger, so we need to also consider whether the |
| commerce degree, or slightly higher for Macquarie | | | | final decision of combing is worthwhile or not. |
| University's degree. | | | | The effect of having 2 degrees on your hireability as a |
| Law Law leads onto very lucrative careers. Law | | | | future jobseeker is overrated we think. University |
| graduates tend to make the most money out of all | | | | graduates with uncombined degrees (e.g. straight |
| degrees in the long run (yes, even medicine makes | | | | BCom) end up getting the same jobs as those who |
| less!) Students who want to make lots of money in | | | | have combined (e.g. BCom / Science). |
| their future careers are advised to aim for Law, even | | | | Therefore we recommend the general rule of |
| if they won't want to eventually be a lawyer. The | | | | combining only if necessary. Ask people who have |
| reason is because employers of large commercial | | | | gone through university and done the degree(s) you're |
| companies (banks, investment banks, investment firms, | | | | thinking of doing. Ask them about whether there's any |
| accounting firms, trading companies etc) tend to seek | | | | tangible benefit from combining degrees, in terms of |
| out the Law graduates to fill their higher paying | | | | career prospect, starting position, starting salary etc |
| graduate positions. Law graduates tend to be high | | | | and make your decision based on the advice you get. |
| quality, intelligent, social, well-spoken and dynamic | | | | Honours degree If you're still enthusiastic over your |
| people, and employers know this. | | | | university degree, even after 3-5 years, you can elect |
| Although the skills you pick up in law are largely | | | | to do an extra year where you will (usually) conduct |
| irrelevant (unless you be a lawyer), employers tend to | | | | research into a specific area of your field, and at the |
| use the fact that you did law to know that you are | | | | end of the year, submit a long thesis with your findings. |
| smart enough to do law. It's like going to the fruit | | | | Honours degrees are awarded as modified degrees |
| market and picking apples from the premium bin, | | | | of the normal degree. For example if you did law and |
| because you know that all apples you pick will be high | | | | honours, it would be LLB(Hons). |
| quality apples. For this same reason, sometimes people | | | | An honours degree is looked upon highly favourably by |
| who do medicine end up being hired by investment | | | | employers as it indicates that the graduate has a |
| banks and management consulting firms (very | | | | deeper and more specialised knowledge of his field. |
| high-paying jobs), simply because those employers | | | | Generally speaking, an honours degree is looked upon |
| know all students who do law or medicine tend to be | | | | better than a combined degree. The view is that |
| very smart and capable. | | | | anyone can do a combined degree (just get the UAI |
| Therefore we recommend if you get a 99+ UAI and | | | | you need) but not everyone is bright enough to do an |
| want to do commerce, you may as well combine it | | | | honours degree. Therefore this is another reason why |
| with law. It will be a great step forward for your future | | | | we recommend you to choose a course you will |
| career. | | | | genuinely enjoy - because you will be good at it. |
| Law at USYD and UNSW are the same in terms of | | | | What if I don't get the UAI I need? |
| reputation (they are the best), followed by law at UTS, | | | | Fear not. Transferring within university is relatively |
| then Macquarie, then elsewhere. To get into law at | | | | easy. Transferring between universities or within the |
| UNSW and USYD, you will need to get a UAI in the | | | | same university will involve calculation of a rank-based |
| mid 99s. For UTS law, it is around 97. | | | | mark similar to a UAI. 25% of this score will be based |
| - Medicine If you have an especially keen interest in | | | | on your latest UAI score, and 75% will be based on |
| biology, chemistry, and helping others, this is a course | | | | your university WAM (Weighted Average Mark) which |
| you can consider doing. However, we recommend | | | | is basically how well you've done at university so far. |
| against choosing medicine for the money. We will | | | | Therefore, if you don't get the UAI you need for the |
| discuss this point a bit later. | | | | course you desire, we strongly recommend that you |
| Long ago, medicine entry used to be solely on the | | | | choose a course that you're good at. If you choose |
| basis of UAI. However it has been pushed up so high | | | | something you are not good at, you won't be able to |
| that the universities have agreed to use the UMAT | | | | score a sufficiently high WAM to transfer into the |
| exam and interviews as additional selection criteria. | | | | course you want. |
| Officially, the minimum UAI for medicine at reputable | | | | Typically for most popular courses at reputable |
| universities is 95, however the median entry for | | | | universities, you will need a Distinction average (WAM |
| medicine at reputable universities has traditionally been | | | | > 75) after your first year to be able to successfully |
| in the low 99s. This is in additional to the UMAT and | | | | transfer into your desired course for second year |
| interview criteria, so medicine can be said to be the | | | | onwards. We also highly recommend you do a course |
| most competitive course to get into. | | | | which is closely related to the degree you want to get |
| However, as mentioned, we recommend against | | | | into. |
| medicine as an optimum choice if you want to make | | | | For example, a highly popular use of this technique to |
| large sums of money in your career. The simple fact is | | | | get into law at USYD or UNSW (because not |
| that you will not be making large amounts of money | | | | everybody can get 99+ UAI) is to first enrol into |
| until you are in your 30s, and in present value terms | | | | commerce at these universities. Once you are in |
| (remember your consumer arithmetic in year 10?) it's | | | | commerce, for your first year, while everyone else is |
| just not worth the trouble. For the same UAI (and | | | | busy partying, study hard and score a Distinction |
| given that you are bright enough to achieve 99+) you | | | | average. After your first year (2 semesters), this |
| are better off investing your strong skills into a law | | | | WAM combined with a UAI which is high enough to |
| degree (see above). Jobs in law firms, investment | | | | get you into commerce should be sufficient to be able |
| banks and other jobs in high finance can potentially pay | | | | to transfer into law successfully. |
| multiples of what a senior doctor can make. | | | | How hard is a Distinction average? Surprisingly less |
| Take this advice with a grain of salt, however, | | | | hard than people make it out to be. Remember, |
| because as we said at the beginning of this page, you | | | | university is not like the HSC where you are forced to |
| will only get what you want if you're interested in what | | | | do English and 3-4 other subjects which are totally |
| you're doing. Therefore, if you enjoy medicine, do it. It is | | | | different. At university, assuming you follow our advice |
| a very fulfilling and the pay is very high in all respects. | | | | and choose something you'd be good at, all you need |
| Reputable universities that offer medicine include: | | | | to worry about are 4 subjects per semester, each |
| UNSW, USYD (arguably the best), Monash and | | | | subject being related to the general field that you're |
| Melbourne University. University of Western Sydney | | | | interested in. There's no compulsory subjects, and no |
| recently started a medicine faculty of their own, so if | | | | need to do subjects that have almost nothing to do |
| you are dead-set on doing medicine but did not | | | | with each other (e.g. History and Physics), all you need |
| achieve a sufficiently high UAI, that is a consideration. | | | | to do is focus on subjects which you happen to be |
| Remember, transferring between similar courses once | | | | good at. In fact, a High Distinction average (WAM > |
| you enter university is easy (we will discuss this a bit | | | | 85) is well within reach for some students, as long as |
| later on). | | | | they study consistently, pay attention in class and seek |
| - Other health courses As we said before, medicine is | | | | help when needed. |
| highly sought after and easily the most competitive | | | | To our students |
| university degree to get into. There are alternatives. At | | | | All of us have been down this path one time or |
| reputable universities, Optometry and Vet Science | | | | another and we're always happy to give you advice. |
| needs about a UAI of 98, Pharmacy needs about 95, | | | | Our team consists of people who have done law / |
| Medical science needs about 93, and physiotherapy is | | | | med / commerce / arts / science and a variety of |
| much lower and very accessible. | | | | others. We can tell you all about transfer criteria and |
| If you want to get into medicine but didn't get the | | | | what to do in order to maximise the chances of you |
| required UAI or UMAT scores, you can get into one of | | | | getting into the course you want, even after the HSC |
| these health courses and transfer via undergraduate | | | | is over. If you'd like to find out more about anything |
| or graduate streams, depending on individual | | | | mentioned in this article, feel free to post a question in |
| universities' rules. | | | | the general section of the student forums. |
| - Engineering Engineering is a more career-oriented | | | | |